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‘If You Don’t Have Mental Health Issues, You’re Not Paying Attention’ | Persona, Queerness and Raaage with the Iconic RUBYYY JONES – The Invisible Cabaret Podcast: Mental Health & The Arts
Rubyyy Jones gives us perspective, wisdom and life as they expand on all things creativity and mental health. How do we create sustainable performance rooted in real feeling? How do we keep seeing the beauty in the world when it’s also cruel and gross? How will London ever recover from Rubyyy moving back to Canada?!? All this and more in today’s episode.
⚠️ CW: George Floyd’s murder (21:08 – 21:25); survivor’s guilt and infant death (32:11 – 32:52 & 35:16 – 35:35).
Check out Rubyyy’s website and Patreon for lots of wonderful, creative, workshoppy, wisdommy goodness.

If you’re affected by any of the issues raised in this episode, please do not be afraid to seek support. Help is available. The NHS website has a great directory to get you started.
Some useful links for mental health issues mentioned in this episode: anger issues; mental health impacts of racism & Black Minds Matter; survivor’s guilt & PTSD; substance abuse.
THINGS MENTIONED IN THE PODCAST:
- RuPaul controversy: a handy guide
- AFAB definition
- Neurodivergence: learn more & get support
- Our gorgeous Belle Bluestocking wrote a blog for us addressing some of her own experiences with neurodiversity as a dancer with dyspraxia, which you can read here if you’re interested
- Our episode with Robert Hallow on anger
- George Floyd and lockdown: a think-piece on the impact
- RVT (Royal Vauxhall Tavern)
- Familyyy Fierce collective in Polari magazine
- Kew Gardens

…I try to harness that possibility when people are in a performance space and they’re open to feeling stuff, I’m like, hey, how about anything then? How about anything? If you feel shocked, if you feel disgusted, if you feel whatever, like, I’m kind of game for it as long as I feel like it’s a consensual process. And the rage is something I think that people really, really struggle with feeling and really, really struggle with expressing, even if they do feel it. And so there’s a kind of permission that comes through with someone doing it and doing it kind of shamelessly, and then doing it shamelessly while wearing a wig on stage at the RVT on a Tuesday night. Like, it’s a totally different thing, and it makes you think about that in a different way, I think, or at least that’s my intention.
Rubyyy Jones
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Edited and mixed by Matt Ennis, www.mennismixing.co.uk.
Music: Shades of Spring by Kevin MacLeod, available under license: creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

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